[Sekiro]

Hi Forum!

I've been lurking past few weeks learning what I can about the MX-30. Watched multiple reviews. Looked at other EVs but either too expensive or too bland. Mx-30 has the best of both worlds.

I just have a couple of questions before I take the dive into mx-30
1) On average how many miles do you have during winter (especially in UK) and summer before you need to charge (from 100% to almost 0%)
2) How much does it cost to charge from 0% to 100%
3) Are some EV chargers free to use? I've seen pod point chargers at my place of work but not sure if free.
4) I do about on average 40 miles a day (Mon to Fri) . Is it still worth going for the mx 30 if I need to charge probably 3-4 times a week.

5)Work do have charging pods but will it be costly charging few times each week?

6) With recent software update any software issues I should know of?

My main use would be to work, then family errands like shopping etc. So travelling more than 50 miles a day very unlikely for me.

Your answers will be much appreciated! Prices are going up too much for petrol. I really want to go for the mx 30 but I just need more info before I dive right in!

 

[Thebriggie]

Sekiro, here is my experience, but do remember mileage available is controlled by a number of factors, to name just three:
How heavy your right foot is
Journey type (motorway speed uses more energy, reducing range)
Paddle use to regenerate the batteries

1) my range availability with heater off can be between 110 and 124 in winter ( lowest temp this year was 1 degree) reduce by about 20 with heater on full time.

2) Depends on what domestic rate you are on. I am on Octopus go until May. Currently 5p per kwh between 00:30 and 04:30. From 0 to 100% is roughly 30.5 kw on the MX30 ,so with a domestic charger giving 6.6kwh to the car that equates to roughly 4.5 hours total at the cheap rate. So I would get 26.4kwh roughly at the cheap rate (about £1.32.for 107 miles ) . Having said that it is not recommended to go down to zero on a regular basis so most people don't go anywhere near that. A home 13amp plug charger only gives you about 2.3 kw per hour...

3) Podpoints at Tesco are currently free. I also have some at my local Sainsburys that are also free. They are getting busier as EV usage grows

4) Ideal for this kind of journey. Possibly 25 to 30% ish of charge each jouney. Can be topped up overnight on a home 6.6kwh charger in around 1.5 ish hours.

5) Depends on charging rate per kwh. As for everything at the moment going up electricity rates will rise accordingly...but still a lot cheaper than fuel. What is the current rate of your work pods if not free? Maybe better charging at home if your supplier has a better overnight rate.

6) No software issues I am aware of but rattling doors is common and Mazda are on fix number 3 currently. Some strange app/alarm behaviour has been reported in the past but that has went quiet recently.

Also remember if you go for a bigger battery car, based on your usage, the majority of the extra kw will not be exercised if you charge regularly but will reduce the number of times you have to charge. The £ cost of charging will all even out when you have to charge the bigger battery but the time to charge fully may be extended depending on the car type. It comes down to your personal usage and range worry ceiling.

The car is a great drive. The back seats can be a bit tight for adults and the suicide doors can make access a wee bit harder. Most of the time it is my wife and myself only so that is not an issue.

My personal view only.

P.s remember getting an ev charger charger installed (if you don't already have one) can be another journey. First comes either a self service survey or a contractor visit to assess your house. Can your house supply cable take the new load. Can your consumer unit take a new 32amp feed. How far from your consumer unit to your preferred charger location. Who is supplying it...and also who is installing it...etc

Alan

 

[Parker77]

Welcome Sekiro. Alan has covered everything very well but I would emphasize that life with an EV is much easier (and cheaper) if you can charge overnight at your home - so, if you have off street parking. It's certainly not impossible to manage if you can't charge at home, but it gets more complicated. Good luck with your decision - the MX30 is a very comfortable car and is very well equipped.

 

[Fyldeman]

Welcome Sekiro,
I just want to echo what has already been said. I have gone from having two Ice cars in family to now just the MX-30 and am loving it. Like you, I liked the style of the MX-30 and the price was competitive with other evs considering the high spec of the car (I have GT Sport Tech). It costs me about £7 to fully charge at home and only takes a few hours on my dedicated charger so not an issue doing a couple of charges a week. I have the benefit of solar panels so if its sunny I try to charge on the weekend when it is effectively free.
Take the plunge and don't be worried about the noisy door as I can verify it's not present in every car (touch wood!).

 

[seasidebaz]

1. 100 winter (handy as it equals 1pc per mile) as I like to use the fun pedal, didn't get it til Autumn so no summer numbers yet
2. I've not dared go below 18% yet but on a normal domestic rate it works out about £5 from 20-100%. I use the 3-pin for mine as I don't have a charger installed and 20-100 takes around 12-14 hours so fine for an overnight charge

The rest has been covered

 

[Sekiro]

Thank you everyone. Your inputs are very detailed

So I'd say 100 miles on average perhaps 80-90 if AC on during winter?
How about during summer? How is the range. Also will AC on cold during summer affect range as well I assume?

I won't be able to have a home charger due to no off street parking so I'd have to rely on pod charger at work being available. They have 6 bays. If not then supermarket bay.

I'm sti fairly new to EV charging systems and trying to learn about it.

 

[Thebriggie]

Summer max I had was 129 estimate And yes cold aircon affects range as well. Sounds like you could be a daily top up driver! If you only charge to 90% the regenerative effect using the paddles is more effective.

Alan

 

[Sekiro]

Thanks Alan! Yes most likely I will be a top driver! 😂 In that scenario from mon to Fri if let's say I topped up 20-30% a day to 90% using a standard slow charger at work (idk 6kwh?) how much would that cost on average a week.

I'm trying to work out average cost for top up a week.

 

[birillo_79]

just adding on what has been shared already

1 - 100 miles (with heating/AC) is reasonable (if you use regen breaking)
2 - be careful with cost of charge. Far away from petrol rates are all over the place - if you use public charging in London cost x KW can vary from 0.24p (ubitricity lampost) to 0.80p (source london) according to speed and provider. Recently found out Brighton has a flat 0.27p rate regardless of the charging speed. You will need to start using specific maps showing the rates and familiarise with options around your fav spots. Also there are some overarching cards that work with multiple networks and random codes/discounts available. If you are planning a wall box, worth finding an EV specific tariff (not the right moment now though!)
4-5 - this are the key point you need to address. Check if your work place offer free charging (mine does for example!) - but they are likely to offer a cheap-subsided rate anyway (do not see them trying to make money out of it)
if that is the case no-brainer. I drive to the office - plug in - 100% charged for free before I leave - repeat. Cost of commuting is now 0. This can be classified as a BIK - but unknown yet how it will be calculated - monitored and taxed (probably nothing)

Also worth mentioning other potential benefits of EVs (depend on your area) - those applies to all EVs of course

• congestion charge / ULEZ / etc
• free/discounted resident parking permit
• free/cheaper parking on public roads

Salary Sacrifice
worth checking if your employer offers a salary sacrifice to buy an EV. The most common/famous one is the octopus one.

 

[Thebriggie]

30% of 30.5kw usable mx30 equals about 9kw per weekday. About 1.5 hours per charge on 7kwh charging station. MX30 can only handle 6.6kw
Depending on the charger kwh rate the costs vary.
Go for 20p per kwh = 6.6 x 1.5 hours = 20p x 9.9 = £1.98 x 5 = £9.90 say roughly £10 per week
30p per kwh = £2.97 x 5 = £14.85 etc. etc. So to do an accurate calculation you would need to know the charger cost per kwh. Charger apps will provide that info.

As Birillo_79 states there are other benefits to be factored

Alan

 

[birillo_79]

correct Alan - but I think the key factor would be free charge at work. If that is the case, then no brainer. 90% of charges will be for free - I currently charge just in emergency or long trips, otherwise the free juice from going to the office 3 times a week covers the other 4 days and weekends easily. If that is the case, then - EV is a no brainer (regardless of the car choose). I would actually suggest a bigger battery model tbh, to capitalise to the max the 8hrs free charging on site (mine is always fully charged by lunch time, while I see Tesla owner laughing!).Of course this is down to employer policy, facility and charger availability on site.

 

[Sekiro]

So I did some research based on what you guys have said. It appears that the charging ports at work are bp pulse so I went on their website to check what the price would be and thankfully its free! But would I need to apply for a subscription or is it just plug and charge?

The charging ports are in parking bay for visitors. Although staff use it too if car park is full.

They have 2 charging ports in the staff car park but they don't appear on bp pulse map so perhaps a different company?

The charging ports stated on bp pulse map are Type 2 No cost 7.2kw so if I get lucky and manage to get a space in morning I can top up my car free of charge or if I can't get a space in the morning I can just drive to the port an hour before I leave. Give it a top up and be on my way.

 

[birillo_79]

you need to check with your employer rather than the charging company. Usually the "company" chargers are not even on their map tbh. Here we have bp pulse/chargemaster. Each employee with EV has been given a BP pulse card - that charges for free (well the company is charged I guess) but those cards work ONLY on the chargers within the company carpark (tried on a bp pulse public charger and the card is banned). The tariff is down to the contract your company has with the energy provider, but as far as your company does not charge you back, none of your business They might have a tariff they charge to visitors, the charges might be on the public map - all options - but you need first to understand you company policy/benefit for employees with EV cars and then take it from there.

generally speaking if you can charge for free during the 7-8 hrs you are at work, bingo. EV becomes a no brainer and the MX-30 could be an option as low range will not affect you.

btw as a general rule, charging is NEVER for free. Someone pays for it. Tesco is in partnership with volkswagen (and I guess they both pay for the electricity delivered). If someone is offering free charge, is unlikely to be the charger company, it is more likely to be the premise where the charger is installed!

 

[Thebriggie]

Do as Birillo_79 say's first.

If not a work scheme then;

I would apply for the app subscription. It will probably be required to confirm charge. Podpoint only gives you 15 minutes charge unless you confirm its you via the app. Don't know if bp pulse is the same but no harm in registering. It also means if you are out and about you could use bp pulse and it will charge £ to your account without hassle. Glad it's free so ev is a no brainer!!

Alan

 

[birillo_79]

@Sekiro - where do you work? I think those are questions for HR/facility manager

 

[Jewels]

Hi Forum!

I've been lurking past few weeks learning what I can about the MX-30. Watched multiple reviews. Looked at other EVs but either too expensive or too bland. Mx-30 has the best of both worlds.

I just have a couple of questions before I take the dive into mx-30
1) On average how many miles do you have during winter (especially in UK) and summer before you need to charge (from 100% to almost 0%)
2) How much does it cost to charge from 0% to 100%
3) Are some EV chargers free to use? I've seen pod point chargers at my place of work but not sure if free.
4) I do about on average 40 miles a day (Mon to Fri) . Is it still worth going for the mx 30 if I need to charge probably 3-4 times a week.

5)Work do have charging pods but will it be costly charging few times each week?

6) With recent software update any software issues I should know of?

My main use would be to work, then family errands like shopping etc. So travelling more than 50 miles a day very unlikely for me.

Your answers will be much appreciated! Prices are going up too much for petrol. I really want to go for the mx 30 but I just need more info before I dive right in!

Hi
We have owed our Mx30 since the 30th Nov, we do very few miles per annum, but I still have range issues before we bought the car.
We have just done one thousand miles and so far the total cost of all these miles has been just 60p, and that was only because we needed to test our new longer cable at home and also need to know our home charger worked ( newly fitted).

We only charge when out and about. We use Tesco while out shopping, and our local library which are all free to charge. What we wrongly believed to be the downfall of the car I.e it’s short range has actual become it’s bonus, as it’s only a small battery it charges in a few hours on the free to use 7.7 Kw, we usually take it for a charge when it gets less then 40 miles range.
Just love this car, we have the top spec, just love the Bose sound, loads of great features, and the drive is so smooth it a delight to drive.
We did one journey over 16 miles and used one pedal driving ( used the highest setting for regenerative braking) and due to the Country lanes, with loads of cornering, it only took 4 miles out of the range. On the other hand the cold weather can mean you loose some range over night, and the best full charge we have had so far gave us 117 miles range, the car is not in a garage at night.

If you get a EV APP on your phone you will see all the charging points, and which are free to us. Zap maps it quite good, with the pod point we check what’s available before we set off, if we get there and they are full we move onto the next free pod point.
We had one recall think it related to the 12 volt. Battery and another issue.

Not sure how long free charging we be available for but I would rather have a free electric charge then Tesco points!

 

[Sekiro]

@birillo_79 thanks. I will check with the parking team about electric charging for staff. But my guess is because we pay for a parking permit and visitors pay for a bay that balances the payment so it most likely will be free. I work in the NHS hospital setting.

@Thebriggie thanks. Worse case scenario just pay 7.85 a month for subscription and get "free" charge. Beats paying 200 (and rising) a month 😂

@Jewels thanks for your insight I most likely will go for the basic spec which is alot as it is.

Although I do want heated seats and wheels which brings me to another question do heated seats and wheels consume less than miles than AC? I'm fairly used to the cold compared to most people.

I've seen brand new going for 25k and used GT sport with 1k mileage going for around the same. Which would be a better option?

 

[birillo_79]

BP pulse subscriptions unlock only discounted rates (as most subscriptions)
if charge is free - goes down to who is providing it and how they are unlocking chargers (here we have a personal BP pulse, but as said the card is special and limited to the site chargers only). Others use free for all chargers - others have corporate card they lend you for the time you charge. You defo need to talk with parking management (as there might be a booking system too, or some limitations - like it is free but you can stay 2hrs only - etc). EV world is an adventure

 

[Thebriggie]

See this re drain on battery. Heated seats/wheel are a fraction of heating overall. AC drains battery much more that just heated seats and wheel.

All the Things That Drain Your EV Battery

And, yes, there’s way more to it than just driving hard and turning on those heated seats.

www.wired.co.uk

Used GT sport should come with remaining warranty. Better spec/bang for bucks in my opinion. Given you cannot have a home charger no dealer teaser of free charger! Plus the GT Sport should be instantly available...no guarantee on new supply lead times

Alan

 

[Sekiro]

@birillo_79 I've actually done a forbidden thing and parked in those bays a few times when I couldn't find any parking. Never had any issue or fines. As long as you got a permit (for staff) or paid for however long as a patient/visitor. I don't think parking team really care who is parked there for how long. I just need to find out if its free and how it works.

@Thebriggie that's really helpful mate. Much appreciated! I'm honestly conflicted as I want a brand new car that will hopefully last me minimum 5 years. A used car always makes me think is something going to be wrong with it down the line or are they hiding something when they try to sell. The heated seats and wheel would make a difference I guess. Have you tired experimenting yourself to see if mileage is different with AC on or with just heated seats and wheels?