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Hope all went well.
Mine is booked to go in on 6th January for the software update.
Have you noticed any difference ?.
 

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JohnG123 no not really John but I wasn’t having any problems. It was Mazda who wanted to do it so I thought it best to. Still finding bits out so it’s a learning curve. Let me know when your done be nice to see if you notice any differenc.

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JohnG123 no not really John but I wasn’t having any problems. It was Mazda who wanted to do it so I thought it best to. Still finding bits out so it’s a learning curve. Let me know when your done be nice to see if you notice any differenc.

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Thanks for the reply. Yes will see if I notice any difference next Friday after the update.
 

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I had it done a couple of weeks ago and did not expect to see any difference...and I have not, not one iota of difference. This was on the basis that am036a hv battery heater was left off by the dealer after the update!....and it was. If it was turned on it would affect range.
Am035a is only 12v battery drain solution and the only way to know if any difference was made is to either stick a meter on the battery to test it or wait for the car to go dead...which hopefully this patch stops!

Hope it goes well for you.

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I think you have missed the point, or rather I’ve not made myself clear. I think Mazda should have offered battery size option, rather than waste time on a version with a “range extender”.

Mazda are clearly worried that a medium/long range EV will eat into their ICE sales.
Mazda bangs on about their multi solution approach but it all boils down to ICE hugging and resistance to change. Absolutely love Mazda. It totally brakes my heart. These guys have been fine tuning ICEs for years and it would seem they re still in denial. Wake up dudes! Get on on the train pronto or start to plan for exiting the European market. Yep. Is this a Mazdexit in the making? Sadly dont believe Mazda HQ fully appreciates what a gem the MX 30 is in spite of its shortcomings. The model manager Tomiko Takeuchi deserves a lot of credit in my opinion.
 

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Mazda bangs on about their multi solution approach but it all boils down to ICE hugging and resistance to change. Absolutely love Mazda. It totally brakes my heart. These guys have been fine tuning ICEs for years and it would seem they re still in denial.
I agree, the whole PR narrative here just screams denial. I learned to love Mazda for their ICE technology, I had an old mk1 MX-5 and even after 25 years, that engine was running like a dream… The bodywork rusted away to nothing though.:LOL:

Having owned 6 Mazda cars now, I absolutely love the way they are set up and drive. So I’m happy to stay in their ecosystem.

The big problem with cars is that it takes around 5 years to bring a car to market. I think Mazda are fully aware that they backed the wrong horse with ICE, and that EV is the future. The MX-30 is probably somewhat different to what was originally planned (anyone else feel the powertrain would be better suited to a roadster?), and is as sharp a course correction as they can make within budget and timeframe.
 

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I agree, the whole PR narrative here just screams denial. I learned to love Mazda for their ICE technology, I had an old mk1 MX-5 and even after 25 years, that engine was running like a dream… The bodywork rusted away to nothing though.:LOL:

Having owned 6 Mazda cars now, I absolutely love the way they are set up and drive. So I’m happy to stay in their ecosystem.

The big problem with cars is that it takes around 5 years to bring a car to market. I think Mazda are fully aware that they backed the wrong horse with ICE, and that EV is the future. The MX-30 is probably somewhat different to what was originally planned (anyone else feel the powertrain would be better suited to a roadster?), and is as sharp a course correction as they can make within budget and timeframe.
Wish you are right but not entirely convinced. A bunch of German engineers from Mazda Europe recently did a PR video where they were struggling not to show their carnal arousal when talking about ICEs. It was entertaining in a way but slightly depressing. Its on Youtube Mazda Europe Multi Solution something.
 

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Wish you are right but not entirely convinced. A bunch of German engineers from Mazda Europe recently did a PR video where they were struggling not to show their carnal arousal when talking about ICEs. It was entertaining in a way but slightly depressing. Its on Youtube Mazda Europe Multi Solution something.
Think Allo Allo meets Skyactiv X cult. 🤣
 

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Wish you are right but not entirely convinced. A bunch of German engineers from Mazda Europe recently did a PR video where they were struggling not to show their carnal arousal when talking about ICEs. It was entertaining in a way but slightly depressing. Its on Youtube Mazda Europe Multi Solution something.
Yeah, as I said Mazda bet on “the wrong horse”, they probably still have maybe three or four years of ICE products in the pipeline.

Mazda can’t just throw that development away, so they have to sell them, and while they do, we can expect them to be very enthusiastic about ICE cars.

It’s a classic PR “controlling the narrative” approach to dealing with some unpleasant facts.
 

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Looks like you haven't understood. It's not the engine that's the problem, it's the fuel! Green hydrogen is so named because it grows on trees like moss.
 

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Looks like you haven't understood. It's not the engine that's the problem, it's the fuel! Green hydrogen is so named because it grows on trees like moss.
Actually, I did hydrogen fuels as my project for my Chemistry degree. I specialised in fuel cells (because burning stuff is so passé).

Hydrogen is a fantastic way to store energy, but is extremely impractical (and dangerous) as a vehicle fuel.
 

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Mmmm. I agree that hydrogen is a very questionable fuel for private cars but that is after the issue of where it comes from. Almost all hydrogen today is sourced from steam reforming hydrocarbons. Some say make it from electrolysis of water using wind power. However, if the end objective is propulsion of automotive vehicles, sending the energy via battery to a motor will always win. The alternative of hydrogen from electrolysis, compression (and perhaps liquefaction), expansion, some form of combustion via a reciprocating engine is simply too inefficient. The battery route wins hands down. Most automotive manufacturers know this (apart from Toyota and Mazda) and we can see it in the massive increase in BEV options. Hydrogen and engines will be directed at long haul freight movement.
 

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Mmmm. I agree that hydrogen is a very questionable fuel for private cars but that is after the issue of where it comes from. Almost all hydrogen today is sourced from steam reforming hydrocarbons. Some say make it from electrolysis of water using wind power. However, if the end objective is propulsion of automotive vehicles, sending the energy via battery to a motor will always win. The alternative of hydrogen from electrolysis, compression (and perhaps liquefaction), expansion, some form of combustion via a reciprocating engine is simply too inefficient. The battery route wins hands down. Most automotive manufacturers know this (apart from Toyota and Mazda) and we can see it in the massive increase in BEV options. Hydrogen and engines will be directed at long haul freight movement.
It’s unbelievable how Toyota threw away their massive lead in electric Automotive technology by betting on Hydrogen!
 

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I'm with you there but look at this excerpt from the Mirai brochure.
"Viewed as an industrial commodity today, hydrogen is readily available from a variety of natural sources".
Now that statement is both incorrect and completely disingenuous. Is there a level of management in Toyota that actually believes that? If so, is it at the top?
 

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I'm with you there but look at this excerpt from the Mirai brochure.
"Viewed as an industrial commodity today, hydrogen is readily available from a variety of natural sources".
Now that statement is both incorrect and completely disingenuous. Is there a level of management in Toyota that actually believes that? If so, is it at the top?
Yeah, hydrogen can be generated cleanly from water, but as you say most commercially available hydrogen is from hydrocarbon sources so both unsustainable and far from environmentally friendly!

If the media are to be believed, Toyota are investing heavily into a commercial SolidState battery cell design, if true, they will be able to dominate the BEV market!
 

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Yeah, hydrogen can be generated cleanly from water, but as you say most commercially available hydrogen is from hydrocarbon sources so both unsustainable and far from environmentally friendly!

If the media are to be believed, Toyota are investing heavily into a commercial SolidState battery cell design, if true, they will be able to dominate the BEV market!
You are way more, no infinitely more knowledgeable on hydrogen but from these godforsaken parts of the world let me tell you the following. There is nada available in the south of Sweden for your Mirai. You need to go to Hamlet/Carlsbergland to fill up your car. In Norway a hydrogen station(???) blew up and believe all stations were closed pendling further inquiry. Mirai is more a curiousity than anything else.
There is talk of it being used in long haul aviation. Hindenburg revisited? Hydrogen has a bad rep. But on the other hand... If you can fly to the Seychelles in winter with a clear conscience without blowing up, pourquoi pas?😀
 

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The world is bigger than europe, There are a lot of places in the world that has no or little infrastructure for EV's.
They will depend on fuel cars for many years to come. So toyota and mazda are right they do not fully switch to building EV's for now. Said that, Toyota and Mazda already announced that they will electrify a lot of their models, before 2030.
 

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The world is bigger than europe, There are a lot of places in the world that has no or little infrastructure for EV's.
They will depend on fuel cars for many years to come. So toyota and mazda are right they do not fully switch to building EV's for now. Said that, Toyota and Mazda already announced that they will electrify a lot of their models, before 2030.
Not all markets are equal. Building a high end car doesn’t cost much more than building a low end car, so the profit on selling a high end car is much higher.

Mazda is a relatively small car maker, they can’t afford to focus on high volume, low return markets which will dominate the ICE market over the next 10 years.
 

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We can see, looking at this image, the battery is composed of 16 battery modules, each one must contain 12 cells.
With the MX-30, 8 battery modules are probably connect in series (to give 355volts), and then the two blocks of 8 are connected in parallel (probably the font 8, and the stacked rear 8), to give the final current capacity of 100 Ah.

It would be fun to get hold of a scrapped battery unit!
 

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If we are to believe the press it will be entirely possible to store, in the same given volume and weight, twice the energy content. That would make the MX-30 a 71 kWh offering. Cost? Safety?
 
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