[VivaMazda]

One question bugs me a bit about my buddy from Hiroshima. We know for sure that the gross capacity of the battery is 35,5 kWh. But how much of it is useable? There was talk of 32 kWh initially. But If you crunch the numbers and focus on predicted range that is clearly not the case. According to Inside EVs its 30,5. My guess would be 30 kWh or slightly less. Maybe Mazda plans to allow access to part of the buffer lat
er. In order to maintain range in spite of battery degradation? It just would be nice to know. Does anyone know? Or we are all in the dark?

 

[VivaMazda]

A question related to the first question is how far can you actually go at 0 percent State of Charge. Does anyone have any experience? Would love to try it out but worry about negative effects on the battery. In other words how much of the battery is useable at 0% SOC? If there are other tech nerds out there to discuss this with.. that would be awesome😀

 

[Milkfloat]

I wonder about battery percentage and range also. My home charger measures the electricity supplied to the car and from half a dozen charges, I conclude that 100% range would be equivalent to 33.5kWhr supplied. Question then is the efficiency of charging. At this (6.6kW) charge rate, the battery cooling system doesn't operate in moderate ambient temperatures and the temperature of the battery doesn't rise much so 95% would seem reasonable. In that case 100% as indicated would be equivalent to 31.8kWhr retained by the battery. That would leave 1.7kWhr residual battery capacity at 0% capacity if fully charged is truly fully charged. At that point one would certainly be driving carefully so that power would yield 7.1 miles or 11.4km. I have seen somewhere on the German site (but can't remember where) that someone drove 10km after zero percent before the battery died. It would have to be a real emergency or you didn't care about the car because taking this battery technology to zero charge is very damaging to longevity which is why the car companies design in 5% or so of "not to be used" capacity.

 

[kopaszkrapek]

Hi MX-30 drivers. Based on my experience with the car, I would say the usable battery capacity is apr 28,5 kW. With 11,6 kWh/100 km indicated consumption I drove 228,1 km + 16 remaining, with 6% in the city, without calculating any losses.
Maybe with warmer outside temperatures it can be slightly better.
One guy in Hungarian MX-30 forum drove bit more than 7 km after 0% battery charge status but could not get to the end.
Definitely there is at least 1,5 kWh available after indicated 0%, and the rest can be spare for the future degradation.
Any better ideas ?

 

[Milkfloat]

Congratulations on some very frugal driving. How much energy did you then need to recharge? At 6% SOC, I would need 31.5 kWhr for full recharge. If I use the on-board consumption meter, then I usually compute the battery size at 29 kWhr so very close to your 28.5. So, just like ICE cars, the on-board consumption shows the car in a favourable light and probably underestimates the energy use by about 3 or 4%. Alternatively, charging efficiency is only 92% and the on-board consumption is correct. I think this is what Vivamazda wants answered. Its a shame that no-one technical from Mazda feels the wish to share any of the design information with us.

 

[VivaMazda]

Problem is these things are complicated. Like relationships? 🤣🤣🤣
Consumption stated by the car is what it is. If you compare consumption to State of Charge you realize that the former is a rough estimate. On the other hand measuring state of charge is not as straight forward as measuring the volume of petrol in a tank. So OK. We re confused. These OBD plugs Bjørn Nyland uses almost in his sleep maybe that would be a way to understand whats going on?

 

[VivaMazda]

Fun fact. In the model T Ford there was no fuel pump initially so going uphill you could run out of gas although there was gas, just not in the right place. Well guys this is the model T of EVs for Mazda. Kind of.

 

[kopaszkrapek]

Would be nice to have an OBD readout while driving the car in various road conditions. I am not aware of any app able to decode the MX-30 data. Do you know any ?

 

[VivaMazda]

Nope, sorry. Guessing you need 1 the right obd plug and 2 an app or something to process the info. Anyone has a clue?

 

[kopaszkrapek]

Hi Gents,

I normally charge my MX-30 up to 80%. Only charge to 100% if I need full range available. With warm battery now I am having almost 250 km in city drive.

 

[VivaMazda]

Well that makes sense. I get about 220 km these summer days and live in the countryside.

I just wish the difference between summer and winter would be less pronounced. Where are you driving Kopasz? Budapest?

 

[kopaszkrapek]

Well that makes sense. I get about 220 km these summer days and live in the countryside.

I just wish the difference between summer and winter would be less pronounced. Where are you driving Kopasz? Budapest?

Yes, 99% there.

 

[Marcel21674]

replied on the wrong person.

 

[VivaMazda]

Yes, 99% there.

You are a very brave man.
Visited Budapest w kids. Jesus. Aggressive traffic, not a single soul spoke Swedish.🤣 Driven a lot in Vienna but seems more laid back traffic wise? What with the hot baths and Hungarian wine you would expect folks to be more relaxed behind the wheel. You would probably fall asleep driving in Sweden out of boredom
🤣🤣🤣

 

[Marcel21674]

Would be nice to have an OBD readout while driving the car in various road conditions. I am not aware of any app able to decode the MX-30 data. Do you know any ?

All fuel engines must comply with certain OBD2 protocols. Electric cars are not covered by these regulations and therefore manufacturers can use their own software, which, as you found out, does not work with the current OBD2 protocols.

 

[Marcel21674]

Our tesla model3 comes with a warning when regulary been charged to a 100% or drained below a certain point.
The mx30 does not come with a warning. So maybe they calculated a buffer, but then, why is there an option,to just load to 70, 80, or90% if there no need for it.
On the other hand, mazda has a 8 year warranty on the battery.

 

[Weljo]

My Mazda has shown the following figures after charging:
20% up to 100% (fall) = 217 kms (100% should meet at least 200 kms)
10% up to 80% (winter) = 152 kms (80% should meet at least 160 kms)
4% up to 90% (late spring) = 192 kms (90% should meet at least 180 kms)

After doing some calculations I found the battery capacity is 35 kWs.
This has been calculated in various situations.

Mind that my charger allows reconditioning of the battery capacity and supports battery care, no full charge and Power Boost.
This charger makes form a 3-Phase grid a 2-Phase into 1-Phase charger at max 6 kW. at 230 Volt.

 

[VivaMazda]

Our tesla model3 comes with a warning when regulary been charged to a 100% or drained below a certain point.
The mx30 does not come with a warning. So maybe they calculated a buffer, but then, why is there an option,to just load to 70, 80, or90% if there no need for it.
On the other hand, mazda has a 8 year warranty on the battery.

When it comes to battery tech Tesla plays in a different league. EV market leader etc. Higher price range.
Sounds like a great feature on the Tesla. Mazda on the other hand nails driver ergonomics, user interface, lights, Noise Vibration Harshness, quality interior, chassis etc. Or what do you think?

 

[h5n1xp]

When it comes to battery tech Tesla plays in a different league. EV market leader etc. Higher price range.
Sounds like a great feature on the Tesla. Mazda on the other hand nails driver ergonomics, user interface, lights, Noise Vibration Harshness, quality interior, chassis etc. Or what do you think?

Is there a forum for Modding MX-30s yet? Perhaps we won't see anyone doing that until the warranty is up? Might be fun to build a higher capacity battery?

 

[VivaMazda]

You would hope Mazda puts in higher energy density batteries and a frunk in the MX 30 in the future. But great idea absolutely! Mazda does have a partly cult following so someone must up for it.